Curse

shadows of hob · Feb 03, 2010, 04:50 PM // 16:50

I decided to react on this thread, because I too see that bots are becoming more and more of a problem, especially on Special Event arena's. There are now an ridiculous amount of bots in the normal snowball matches. In the AT's and even in the teams that won the AT's, bots are being used. I know about 6 people that have said to me that they are using bots. They are even proud that 'their bot won the AT for them'. I am not going in discussion if there are bots for RBR, but I can't discard it. I, too, have played with people that ended up in the top 100 and I too found it very suspicous that they followed the same path/same skills at exactly the same times over and over.

What is funny, is that once they get blocked by an other player, they just stay there and only go forth if the blocking player moves away. When the blocker does, even if he has long lost, that beettle still goes on the same path/skills.

Of course, at least some people in the top 100 ARE good and they fully deserve their prize for all the work they did to improve their skills, but I just can't help it that such experiences aren't very good for my trust in this game.

I wish you all a very happy Canthan Newyear.

Greedy Gus · Feb 03, 2010, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Kattar

I'd trust Reverend Dr over you. Proof is required of any such claims. Although that's a little off topic.

Pretty sure just following this thread has shown this poster as an actual coder for the bots available on google, and reverend is just trying to make educated guesses based on playing.

Reverend Dr · Feb 03, 2010, 09:10 PM // 21:10

A fiend and I sifted through the google code but targets of skill are not a discernible variable, unless there is something we missed. Of course if there is a way to determine this that we missed then I'm going to look back into designing a prot-bot.

Revelations · Feb 03, 2010, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Kattar

I'd trust Reverend Dr over you. Proof is required of any such claims. Although that's a little off topic.

You do realize that you're talking to one of the most prolific developers of the bot?

Kattar · Feb 04, 2010, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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You do realize that you're talking to one of the most prolific developers of the bot?

Nope; don't have any experience with sunec. Just Reverend Dr.

Tullzinski · Feb 04, 2010, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by Revelations

You do realize that you're talking to one of the most prolific developers of the bot?

So we can blame him for [email protected] up Guild Wars? How deeply associated with the Gold Seller that sponsors the Elite Retard site is he?

Considering that site also has posts providing tools to hack accounts and people that were bragging about how many accounts have been hacked, you may want to keep your mouth closed. Anyone associated with that site should be considered a waste of sperm.

Google Translate is a wonderful thing....

Shayne Hawke · Feb 04, 2010, 01:12 PM // 13:12

So, what does a legitimate team look like in these games then? A team that loses all the time?

Revelations · Feb 04, 2010, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

So we can blame him for [email protected] up Guild Wars? How deeply associated with the Gold Seller that sponsors the Elite Retard site is he?

Considering that site also has posts providing tools to hack accounts and people that were bragging about how many accounts have been hacked, you may want to keep your mouth closed. Anyone associated with that site should be considered a waste of sperm.

Google Translate is a wonderful thing....

I'm not blaming anyone, and AFAIK, Mr S. is only one of a handful of individuals who have been working with the bot code. On the off chance that I did decide to point fingers it would certainly not be at him.

I was simply trying to point out that if anyone knows exactly how much leverage the client is given then it is him. Though I usually (silently) concur with the opinions of Reverend Dr, in this case his speculation is most probably less accurate than the information given by someone who has helped significantly in the creation of the bot code.

At very least, the GW client can detect spells targeted on you, and though it may not be documented with the rest of the function list I think it safe to say that Sunec wouldn't really have cause to misrepresent the ability of the GW client.

dr love · Feb 04, 2010, 02:41 PM // 14:41

The GMs are obviously in a frenzy of activity banning bots:

Subject snowball dominance bots Discussion Thread Response (GM XXX)
Hello,

We appreciate your report of the bot situation in Guild Wars. We will investigate the parties involved and take action accordingly.

Please contact us if you have any further questions.

Regards,
GM XXX
The Guild Wars Support Team Response (XXX)
Hello,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support Team.

I am escalating your ticket to our Guild Wars senior staff members to assist you further. Once they have reviewed your question, one of them will contact you as soon as possible.

Regards,
GM XXX
The Guild Wars Support Team

Customer (XXX)
hi, i'm just curious if anything is being done about snowball dominance botting (amongst many many other bots). its a repeatable quest with great rewards.

here's a link to probably the most popular version: XYZ

if it's of no concern, then i'll be happy to run it, and bot 10000s of tonics for myself. then i'll load up and bot a mini polar bear as well. there was only a few hundred thousands of tonics generated from the bot during the holidays, i'm sure a few thousand more is no big deal.

cheers!

Tullzinski · Feb 04, 2010, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Revelations

I'm not blaming anyone, and AFAIK, Mr S. is only one of a handful of individuals who have been working with the bot code. On the off chance that I did decide to point fingers it would certainly not be at him.

I was simply trying to point out that if anyone knows exactly how much leverage the client is given then it is him. Though I usually (silently) concur with the opinions of Reverend Dr, in this case his speculation is most probably less accurate than the information given by someone who has helped significantly in the creation of the bot code.

At very least, the GW client can detect spells targeted on you, and though it may not be documented with the rest of the function list I think it safe to say that Sunec wouldn't really have cause to misrepresent the ability of the GW client.

Fully aware of how knowledgable Mr S. is. The finer points of the progam (and others), the versitility and capabilities are impressive. What it can detect or not does not matter any more. Don't really care about the ability of the GW Client. The point remains; All facets of GW are tainted by this crap.

You can get bots to do ANYTHING in the game. If it does not exist it can be made. Currently anything with a desirable reward has a bot associated with it.

What is driving this? Is everyone that lazy? Can't handle a challenge? Anti grind? ANETs fault for having things people want? Too busy? Greed? Jealousy? If you want to practice you API skills/hobby try making something for Word or Excel instead.

My bet is that real money drives this. Selling everything to the Gold Sellers for real cash is a very strong incentive. Need a gold trimmed cape, mini polar bear, greased lighting, 1000 ectos, 1000 plat, no problem you name it and I bet they can get it. If this is not someone's reason for botting, then they are retarded.

So, I AM blaming him and any handful of individuals you care to name. Cite any excuses you want, in the end the game is destroyed and soon noone will enjoy it. Go screw up someone elses enjoyment.

You know what screw it all, Hey ANET just give everyone everything in the game and call it a day. Once everybody has every single reward/items/title/money the existence of the gold sellers and bots is pointless. Just put a NPC in the game and call him Lazy F@$&ing A$$holes Santa Claus. You click on him and get anything you want. The only stuff worth anything in the game will then be those things awarded by ANET itself which cannot be obtained in game.

VV @bud Thanks!

BuD · Feb 04, 2010, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

My bet is that real money drives this

Absolutely.

That forum that has been thrown around here that has the links & the guide on how to use it, has a section for people to sell stuff...some of the stuff for sale is stacks of Z Keys for real money through pay pal accounts.

FN pathetic.

btw, love the avatar Tull, Ren & Stimpy FTW!!!

Reverend Dr · Feb 05, 2010, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Kattar

Nope; don't have any experience with sunec. Just Reverend Dr.

I had examined the code and didn't see a way which is why I posted what I did. However this was an error on my part and I missed something that I should not have. The client does indeed receive targets of spells.

HawkofStorms · Feb 05, 2010, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows of hob

I decided to react on this thread, because I too see that bots are becoming more and more of a problem, especially on Special Event arena's. There are now an ridiculous amount of bots in the normal snowball matches. In the AT's and even in the teams that won the AT's, bots are being used. I know about 6 people that have said to me that they are using bots. They are even proud that 'their bot won the AT for them'. I am not going in discussion if there are bots for RBR, but I can't discard it. I, too, have played with people that ended up in the top 100 and I too found it very suspicous that they followed the same path/same skills at exactly the same times over and over.

What is funny, is that once they get blocked by an other player, they just stay there and only go forth if the blocking player moves away. When the blocker does, even if he has long lost, that beettle still goes on the same path/skills.

Of course, at least some people in the top 100 ARE good and they fully deserve their prize for all the work they did to improve their skills, but I just can't help it that such experiences aren't very good for my trust in this game.

I wish you all a very happy Canthan Newyear.

Agreed, its getting kinda ridiculous in snowball arena.

Oh well...

*lemming* · Feb 05, 2010, 11:52 AM // 11:52

GM ApplePython insists that their interrupt bot detection script works perfectly.

Apparently interrupting every single cast 1s cast under 8 fc for six minutes is normal behavior. Perhaps they need a better documented example of interrupt botting to base their script off of.

Thevil King · Feb 05, 2010, 12:03 PM // 12:03

this whole botting thing is turning out to be more and more of a joke now. i cant even be able to win a game without being called a "bot"... in fact, i cant even do a simple cancel trick or do a simple close range dodge without being accused of cheating. this is going way to far. all this botting thing is doing, is giving players a scapegoat to blame their failures on.

Tullzinski · Feb 05, 2010, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

this whole botting thing is turning out to be more and more of a joke now. i cant even be able to win a game without being called a "bot"... in fact, i cant even do a simple cancel trick or do a simple close range dodge without being accused of cheating. this is going way to far. all this botting thing is doing, is giving players a scapegoat to blame their failures on.

Then tell them to go ahead and report you or shut the hell up. Tell them how to do it on top of it. No bot, no worries and they can get a suspension for falsely reporting you. If they still piss and moan /ignore....

Drake Slasher · Feb 05, 2010, 02:03 PM // 14:03

This is pretty ridiculous.
I've been accused of using a "pickup bot"... so i can "pick up the presents faster than anyone else" lol
You know what my pickup bot is? target next item + spacebar -_-"
It's true that a lot of people just can't accept the fact of someone else being better than them. They make up bullsh!t like pickup bots, which leads to stupid threads like this.
As to RBR : I used to not know how you could get a 480 score, however i didn't accuse the players who did get 480+. Then i watched that famous youtube vid and made a high score myself.
Good players : try to learn from their mistakes
Bad,lazy etc players : don't bother to improve their game and accuse the good players.

Tullzinski · Feb 05, 2010, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Drake Slasher

They make up bullsh!t like pickup bots, which leads to stupid threads like this.

Snowball bots do exist and it is a major problem, so does the RBR bot. But thanks for your opinion anyway.

Killed u man · Feb 05, 2010, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Honest players are ALWAYS going to be victim of botters getting called out. Simply by me wanting to "check every top snowball guild and RBR 100 scores", there's going to be a few innocent people getting checked by Anet.

But as long as you don't get banned for it, what's the problem? If anything, you should be GLAD someone is calling you a botter, because if you GENUINLY KNOW you're NOT A BOTTER, it means you're pretty gud at rupting stuff...

It's like when I play BBsin in both HB (top 20) and HA. I got called botter, for weapon swapping, so many times cuz I managed to quarter knock (and I mean a fully quarter, interrupted spirit bond, LS like 4-5 times) a prot monk 4 times in a row. I took this as a compliment tough, because those players tought my playstyle was unhuman behaviour, and thus calling me essentially superhuman good. (Tough they were morrons, cuz it's not that hard)

And Drake, there's always going to be morrons who call everyone out, who beat them, on botting. Just ignore them, if you know you're not botting, why do you care?

Yuris Sayuri · Feb 05, 2010, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Snowball bots do exist and it is a major problem, so does the RBR bot. But thanks for your opinion anyway.

Who are you? Did you won a couple of Snowball aT's? Did you had RBR Top100 rankings by urself? I guess not, so don't talk about stuff you can't exhibit experiences yet. I don't care if you certainly know about normal PvP/PvE but event games is a different story.
A Major problem? Definitely not. I wouldn't win that many Snowball/RBR events then. As you said before, people that don't believe me can go ahead and report me as often as they want. I dont mind, it won't happen anything, because i truly know i don't bot / use macros.

There are only some pickup bots and macros, which give you just a tiny advantage (Even these tools don't guarantee you a faster pickup. It's all about the servers and pings). It's much more than that to make you win snowball aT's.
To say RBR has effective bots is really a joke.

Get experiences and you can complain about other opinions.